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Corporal Punishment

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Did you see the terrible story in the newspapers about the boy in Osaka who killed himself because he had been physically abused by his teacher? The teacher said he was doing it to make the boy stronger. Mayor Hashimoto apparently apologised to the boy’s parents, although he admitted that he himself used to be in favour of the use of corporal punishment in schools.

Before I came to Japan, I read a book about the country’s education system. I remember reading that it was common for teachers to hit students, and that most Japanese people believed that this was an appropriate method of discipline. I remember reading one shocking story about a teacher who closed the school gate on the head of a young boy because he was late. The boy died, and the most surprising thing was that in his speech to the school afterwards, the principal basically said it was the boy’s own fault for being late!

I guess that this idea of discipline through punishment comes from the military. It is the same in the West, although there have been a lot of scandals concerning abuse in the army over the last few years, so even that is starting to change.

When I was young, it was quite common for teachers to hit students who misbehaved. When I was in primary school, our teacher used to hit our hands with a ruler. If we had done something very bad, we would be called out to the front of the class or into her room to receive our punishment.

I remember we had one teacher in high school who used to throw his board duster at students. He hit one of my friends on the forehead with it, and it left a big cut that started bleeding. I don’t think anyone said anything to the teacher or made any complaint.

Of course, everything is different now, and teachers in UK schools are not allowed even to touch students, never mind hit them. Some people believe that this change has had a negative effect on education, but it has definitely stopped a lot of dangerous abuse.

I guess that things are starting to change slowly in Japan as well, although it seems that there is still a problem, especially in the sports clubs. I have included a survey this week because I would like to get a sense of how Japanese parents feel about corporal punishment. I would also like to hear stories from your own schooldays.

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Look forward to hearing your thoughts.

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20 Comments

  1. YU on Tuesday January 15th, 2013 at 07:22 PM

    Hi everyone,

    今週のエントリーの和訳です。
    今週は「体罰」がトピックになりそうな気がしてましたが、ビンゴ!でした!

    – Corporal Punishment –

    Did you see the terrible story in the newspapers about the boy in Osaka who killed himself because he had been physically abused by his teacher? The teacher said he was doing it to make the boy stronger. Mayor Hashimoto apparently apologised to the boy’s parents, although he admitted that he himself used to be in favour of the use of corporal punishment in schools.
    大阪の少年が教師の体罰が原因で自殺してしまった悲惨な記事を読みましたか?その教師はその少年を強くするために体罰をやっていたと述べました。橋下市長は自身以前は学校での体罰の使用を容認していたそうですが(今回)その少年の両親に謝罪したそうです。

    Before I came to Japan, I read a book about the country’s education system. I remember reading that it was common for teachers to hit students, and that most Japanese people believed that this was an appropriate method of discipline. I remember reading one shocking story about a teacher who closed the school gate on the head of a young boy because he was late. The boy died, and the most surprising thing was that in his speech to the school afterwards, the principal basically said it was the boy’s own fault for being late!
    日本に来る前に日本の教育の仕方に関する本を読みました。教師が生徒を叩く事は当たり前のことで、しかも殆どの日本人はそれが正しい教育のやり方だ思っていた、と読んだのを覚えています。まだ年端もいかない少年の頭を遅刻したからという理由で校門を閉めて挟んだ教師に関するショッキングな話も読んだ記憶があります。その少年は亡くなりました。そして最も驚いたのはその教師が事件後その学校に対して「校長はそもそも悪いのは遅刻したその少年の方なんだ、と言っていました」と述べたことでした!

    I guess that this idea of discipline through punishment comes from the military. It is the same in the West, although there have been a lot of scandals concerning abuse in the army over the last few years, so even that is starting to change.
    罰によるしつけの考え方は軍隊から来ているんじゃないかと思います。欧米でも同様です、
    ここ数年軍内での虐待のスキャンダルが後を絶ちませんが、それでも事態は変わり始めています。

    When I was young, it was quite common for teachers to hit students who misbehaved. When I was in primary school, our teacher used to hit our hands with a ruler. If we had done something very bad, we would be called out to the front of the class or into her room to receive our punishment.
    私が若い頃は教師が悪いことをした生徒を叩くことはよくあることでした。私が小学生の時、担任の先生がよく定規で私たちの手を叩いていました。私たちが何かものすごく悪いことをしてしまうと教室の前に来るように言われるか、もしくは先生の部屋に呼ばれてその罰を受けていました。

    I remember we had one teacher in high school who used to throw his board duster at students. He hit one of my friends on the forehead with it, and it left a big cut that started bleeding. I don’t think anyone said anything to the teacher or made any complaint.
    高校の時生徒に黒板消しを投げつける先生がいたことを覚えています。その先生の投げたのが私の友達の額に命中し、血が出て大きな切り傷ができてしまいました。その時誰ひとりその先生に文句を言わなかったと思います。

    Of course, everything is different now, and teachers in UK schools are not allowed even to touch students, never mind hit them. Some people believe that this change has had a negative effect on education, but it has definitely stopped a lot of dangerous abuse.
    もちろん、現在では全てが様変わりしました。イギリスの学校では生徒に触ることさえ許されません。ましてや生徒を叩くことなど、言うまでもなくありえないことです。この変化が学校教育に悪影響をもたらした、という人もいますが、でもそれによって多くの危険な虐待が防げた事は間違いありません。

    I guess that things are starting to change slowly in Japan as well, although it seems that there is still a problem, especially in the sports clubs. I have included a survey this week because I would like to get a sense of how Japanese parents feel about corporal punishment. I would also like to hear stories from your own schooldays.
    まだ問題はあるとは言え(特に部活においては)、日本でも徐々に事態は変わりつつあると思います。日本の親たちが体罰に関してどう思っているのか感覚をつかみたかったので今週はアンケートを付けました。またみなさん自身の学校時代の(体罰の)経験談も聞きたいです。

    Corporal Punishment (体罰)

    Teachers should never hit students under any circumstances.
    教師はどんな状況下にあっても絶対に生徒に手をあげてはならない。

    In some situations, it is acceptable for teachers to hit students.
    状況によっては教師の生徒に対する体罰は許される。

    Teachers should have the right to hit students whenever they feel it is necessary.
    教師は必要と感じた時はいつでも生徒に体罰を与える権利がある。

    Look forward to hearing your thoughts
    みなさんの考えを聞くのを楽しみにしています。



  2. YU on Tuesday January 15th, 2013 at 10:31 PM

    Hi everyone,

    I think teachers should never hit students under any circumstances.

    If you see someone doing something wrong on the street, will you hit him? I don’t think anyone would do that because you could be accused of a violent crime.
    何か悪いことをしている人を見かけたら叩きますか?傷害罪に問われかねないので誰もそんなことはしないだろうと思います。

    It is the same in school, anyone is allowed to hit studets under any situations. That is definitely a crime, too.
    だから学校でも同様で、何人たりとも生徒に体罰をあたえてはならないと思います。体罰も立派な犯罪だと思います。

    In the case of the boy in Osaka, apparently, he did anything wrong, but he just failed something in his play during the practice match the day before he killed himself, so I really wonder why he needed to be punished in the first place.
    大阪の少年のケースでは、彼は実は何も悪いことをしていなかったらしく、ただ自殺前日のバスケの練習試合でミスをしただけらしいです。だからそもそも何故彼が体罰を受けなくてはならなかったのか本当に不思議です。

    I remember we had one teacher in junior high school who used to hit his students on the head with his fist. I received it once when I was a bit late for the meeting time during the school trip, but I don’t think I felt very sorry about it at the time, but rather I wondered why he didn’t ask me the reasons for being late first. I started to hate him.
    中学生の時頭にげんこつを食らわす先生がいました。私も修学旅行中の集合時間にちょっと遅れた時にやられたことがあります。でもその時本気で反省などしませんでした。むしろなんでこの人まず理由を聞かないんだろう、と不思議に思いました。その先生が大嫌いになりました。

    By the way, do you think parents are allowed to hit children?

    ところで親の子供に対する体罰は許されると思いますか?



  3. Biwa on Wednesday January 16th, 2013 at 09:53 AM

    Hi YU,

    Thanks for the translation!
    For your question, I think parents can hit their children under certain circumstances.(I’ll write about the circumstances afterwards.) Actually, I never hit my sons but I spanked them in their bottoms when they did something really dangerous.

    Hi everyone,

    Honestly speaking, I cannot decide whether I should vote for the first one or the second one. However, I think that corporal punishiment requires several things. It must be based on real affection toward the child/student, the child/student must understand why he/she was hit, and it should not last for more than one hit. In that sense, I don’t really think many of the teachers nowadays are trustworthy enough, so maybe I should vote for the first one.

    In my case, I was never hit at school, nor were my schoolmates. I never saw someone receiving corporal punishiment, even though I was in the basketball club and the hiking club.
    However, I was hit by my father once, just once. I have a sister who is a year and a half younger than me, and we always played together and fought with each other as much. One day when we were fighting, we called nasty words to each other and I finally said, “You should die!” without thinking so much. At that second, my father walked up to me and slapped me in the cheek saying “Never ever say that again.” That was it, but it really worked because that was the first time in my life (and also last!) that I was hit by him. It also worked for my sister, even if she wasn’t hit at all.

    Anyway, corporal punishiments should be like “Never say/do that again.” and just one bang! It shouldn’t be done continuously, because if it has to be done so many times, it means it’s not working!

    The Osaka’s case is inexcusable and the teacher must be criminally punished. Corporal punshiment never makes the student/team strong. Also, what were the other teachers, his friends and parents doing? The boy must have made lots of SOS signs before he killed himself, and no one actually did anything to help him. I really don’t understand what was happening.



  4. YU on Wednesday January 16th, 2013 at 05:27 PM

    Hi Biwa and everyone,

    > Honestly speaking, I cannot decide whether I should vote for the first one or the second one.

    Biwa, actually I would have writtien the same as you if the same question had been asked three days before, but my view for corporal punishment has changed when I heard a story of someone on TV the day before yesterday.
    Biwa, もし同じ質問を3日前にされていたら私もBiwaと同じような答えを書いていただろう、と思います。でも一昨日ある人の話をテレビで聞いて私の体罰に対する考え方が変わりました。

    His name is Osamu Mizutani, he is often called “夜回り先生”, too. Have you ever heard of him? He used be a junior highschool teacher, but he quit his job because when he got cancer.
    その人の名前は水谷修といいます。別名「夜回り先生」。聞いたことありますか?以前中学校の教師をされていたんですがガンになって辞めたそうです。

    Anyway, in the program, 石原良純 said, “I received corporal punishment from my teachers in my schooldays, but it has become a good memory now.”
    とにかく、その番組の中で石原良純氏が「学生時代先生たちから体罰を受けましたがそれも今ではいい思い出になっていますよ」、という発言をしました。

    Hearing this, Mr Mizutani commented like this :
    これを聞いていた水谷氏が次のようにコメントしました。

    “Some say exactly like what you said now, but they can say so because all of you are kind of winners (those who have succeeded socially, economically, etc.), but there are also losers (those who have ‘failed’ socially, economically, etc.) in this world. They are often those who have been abused by their parents or teachers.

    あなたが今おっしゃったことと全く同じようなことを言われる方がいます。でもあなた方がそう言えるのはあなた方みなさん「勝ち組」だからです。でも世の中には「負け組」の人間も存在するのです。そういう人たちは過去に親や教師から虐待された経験を持つ者が多いんです。

    By chance, they were just a bit stronger than the boy in Osaka, so they didn’t kill themselves.

    そしてたまたま彼らは今回の大阪の少年よりちょっと強かっただけなのです。だから彼らは自殺しなかった。

    So, as long as there’s even one student who chooses to commit suicide because he had been physically abused by his teacher in the world, corporal punishment in school should never been allowed under any circumstances. If you set up some exceptions to this rule, I’m sure that a tragedy like the case of the boy in Osaka would be repeated.”
    だから教師の体罰で自殺する生徒が一人でもいる限り学校内の体罰は決して許されてはならないのです。もしこの規定に何らかの特例を設けてしまったら今回のような悲劇が必ず
    繰り返されることになるでしょう。

    I couldn’t agree with him more. He’s absolutely right.
    水谷氏の話を聞いて目からうろこが落ちました。



  5. Mika on Wednesday January 16th, 2013 at 05:29 PM

    Hi David and everyone,

    When I was a sixth-grader, my homeroom teacher slapped two of my classmates in front of their classmates. He said, “I’m going to improve your personality.” We were so afraid, but he slapped them over and over. During the time I prayed for them, “Please stop slapping right now.” Their cheeks turned red and had a nosebleed in tears. As hard as it might be to believe but their parents didn’t complain to him and the principal in the elementary school, too. Because, their parents trusted both of them. I think that he was a good teacher but sadly enough he had a misconception about corporal punishment.
    As you know, most teachers tend to turn blind eyes to their colleagues’ mistakes. The reason is that they don’t want to take criticism from their colleagues when they make a mistake.
    Also many principals tend to conceal some problems which are called in question their leadership capability. Once I had a problem in a high school when I worked there, but the principal concealed the problem (I still have an after-trouble but can’t tell you about the detail). He didn’t report it to the local education board, because he had a fear to get a poor evaluation. Sorry for the high school boy, the principal in Osaka is no difference.

    Teachers often say to students, “No matter what you want to be, please grow into a kind and responsible person.” So, please carry out your words for your students.



  6. David Barker on Wednesday January 16th, 2013 at 05:59 PM

    Hi YU,

    I have one of Mizutani Sensei’s books, and I went to a lecture he gave in Nagoya a couple of years ago. Some of the stories he told made me cry. I don’t mean that they made me feel sad, I mean that they actually made me cry. It is criminal how little support children get in Japan because everyone wants to make the problem go away by just pretending it is not there. I think this is particularly true in the case of drug abuse by teenagers. If every teacher in Japan were like Mr Mizutani, I think it would be a very different country.



  7. YU on Wednesday January 16th, 2013 at 07:46 PM

    Hi David,

    >If every teacher in Japan were like Mr Mizutani, I think it would be a very different country.

    Indeed.
    I watched the program with my husband.
    He was so moved to hear Mizutani Sensei’s story that he was lost for words for a while.



  8. Biwa on Thursday January 17th, 2013 at 09:37 AM

    Hi YU, David and everyone,

    I have never heard about Mr. Mizutani, so I googled him and read an article from his blog.(私は一度だけ生徒に体罰を与えたことがあります)
    It reminded me of a TV program featuring a female ex-teacher that is helping young girls from getting involved in drug/sex crimes in Shibuya every night. I forgot her name though.

    I think the essential problem is that the teachers/adults do not really understand the difference between “corporal punishment” and “abuse”, nor are many of them qualified enough for using that. (That’s why I said I think I should vote for the first one.)

    I don’t really like the word “punishment” either, but the two things are absolutely different. As I’ve written before, to hit someone(even if it’s a means to teach something really important), requires a lot of preparation, it’s something that should not be used daily and also it hurts the hitter himeself/herself. I bet the teacher in the Osaka’s case didn’t hurt himself even a single bit.

    Having said that, I’m not really sure if it’s really right to ban the whole thing whenever something wrong happens. Lot’s of things tend to be that way, and I worry that when these children become parents in the future, they might start teaching their children like this. “You must not do/say that because it’s a ‘rule’.” I hope they don’t forget to teach the morals!



  9. Biwa on Thursday January 17th, 2013 at 10:01 AM

    Hi everyone,

    Talking about banning things, here’s a story that happened in my neighborhood recently.

    I don’t have a dog, but many people do, and naturally they walk their dogs in the park or in the temple near my apartment. First, the park banned walking the dogs because some people didn’t clean up the poops. Then, the temple(it has a quite big yard 境内) did the same thing, and now, as you can imagine, our streets have lots of dog poops!
    What is worse, they started banning children from playing ball in the park and temple because it’s dangerous! I do understand what they say, but now the children have no choice but to play ball on the streets. I wonder if there really weren’t any other solutions.



  10. Fumie on Thursday January 17th, 2013 at 10:08 AM

    Hi David and everyone,

    Basically, I think corporal punishment by teachers shouldn’t be allowed . But recently there are many unruly, troubled students who are very violent: they hit teachers and friends. In those cases, I think corporal punishment might need to protect themselves and other students. Some of my co-workers(teachers) often complain their minor injuries from students.(They showed me bruises or said some part of their body hurt.) One of my son’s teacher was even broken one of her rib because one boy kicked her.
    >When I was young, it was quite common for teachers to hit students who misbehaved.
    -Things are similar in Japan. Teachers used to have some kind of authority or be more respected but nowadays there are many demanding, selfish parents. My teacher when I was a six grade student, who was very strict and hit us with ruler when we misbehaved but he was a funny man and he loved us so we liked him.

    Parents also shouldn’t punish children by corporal punishment. If parents hit children whenever they don’t follow them, children just learn violence is the way to satisfy their desires and need. I think there are more these type of children now. Also more parents neglect and abuse children. So to control these children at school is very difficult. Maybe these children covet for love. Mr. Mizutani has been helping these children with much love. (I also read one of his book.)
    He is a great mentor.

    Thank you for telling us where you get images for this blog. I like your choice. I think you a good photographer and you also have a good sense of photography.

    Fumie



  11. YU on Thursday January 17th, 2013 at 10:23 AM

    Hi Biwa,

    > I think the essential problem is that the teachers/adults do not really understand the difference between “corporal punishment” and “abuse”, nor are many of them qualified enough for using that.

    I know exactly what you mean, but I believe exactly for this reason (you mentioned above) punishment in school should never be allowed under any circumstances, and any exceptions should not be made to this rule, or it could enable to teachers to justify their “punishment” as they like even when they actually “abused” their students.

    Biwaの言っていることはよく分かります。でもだからこそ(虐待と体罰の境界線があいまいだからこそ)学校内の体罰は絶対に許されるべきでないし、いかなる特例も設けるべきではないと思います。そうでないと本当は虐待したのに教師が好きなように彼らの体罰を正当化させてしまうおそれがあるからです。

    I have to go now.
    See you!



  12. YU on Thursday January 17th, 2013 at 11:01 AM

    Hi Fumie,

    > I think corporal punishment might need to protect themselves and other students

    I feel sorry for the teachers, but I think what they have to do is that to send those violent students to take special classes at somewhere else to protect other students. I wonder why those students are allowed to come to school in the first place. Anyway, we should not ignore an innocent student like the boy in Osaka for those violent students as Mr Mizutani says. That is another matter.

    >If parents hit children whenever they don’t follow them, children just learn violence is the way to satisfy their desires and need. I think there are more these type of children now.

    I’ve also heard a story like that from 保健師 in my city. Lots of young children today hit or bite their friends, and they have to take a special class before entering kindergarten to learn how to get along with their friends. She told me that some of their parents teach how they behave by corporal punishment.



  13. David Barker on Thursday January 17th, 2013 at 11:17 AM

    This is a very difficult question, isn’t it? Ideally, I would like to say that it should be okay for teachers to hit students in some circumstances, but in practice, we know that this will lead to abuse, and as you say, if even one child gets seriously hurt, that is one too many. Japanese schools are way too soft on bad behaviour, though. It should be much easier for teachers to have badly behaving students removed from the classroom.

    For parents, I think it is probably easier, because you are making your own judgement about your own children. I don’t think serious violence towards children is appropriate, but I don’t think the occasional slap or smack does any harm, either. Actually, I often look at other people’s children and think, “Now there is a child that needs to be smacked!”

    My mother was very much in favour of corporal punishment, and my brothers and I all got smacked when we were growing up. I remember one day when we were in the car with my cousins (my mother’s sister’s children). One of them was being very naughty. He was screaming and pulling my mother’s hair as she was driving, so she turned around and smacked him. I don’t think he had ever been smacked before, and he was so shocked that he didn’t know what to do. He never misbehaved in front of his aunt after that, though!



  14. YU on Thursday January 17th, 2013 at 02:26 PM

    Hi David,

    I don’t think what Fumie explains(=teachers use corporal punishment to protect themselves and other students) is corporal punishment or abuse, but I think it is a kind of 正当防衛. However, I still find the situation teachers need to use 正当防衛 in school very strange.
    Fumieが説明しているのは(教師が自分と他の生徒を守るために体罰を使うこと)体罰でも虐待でもなく、正当防衛のようなものだと私は思います。それでもやっぱり教師が学校で「正当防衛を行使しなくてはならない状態」は異常だと思います。

    And “IF” teachers use corporal punishment as a warning(見せしめ) to other students, that is nothing more different from the ways in the army.
    そして「もし」教師がほかの生徒へに見せしめとして体罰をしているのなら、それは軍隊のやり方と何も変わらないと思います。

    > It should be much easier for teachers to have badly behaving students removed from the classroom.

    What I wanted to say was that not smiply to remove all badly behaving students from the classroom, but those who kicks and hurts his teacher or others need special education or treatments at a proper place by proper people.

    私が言いたかったのは単純に素行の悪い(暴力をふるう)生徒たちを教室から追っ払ってしまえばいい、というのではなく、そういう生徒たちにはしかるべき施設でしかるべき専門家による指導、教育が必要だということです。

    And schools should accept them again when they get back on the right track.

    そして学校側はそういう生徒たちが更生した時にまたきちんと受け入れてやるべきだと思います。

    A teacher like Mr Mizutani might be able to do that himself, but not all teachers are a super teacher like him. And of course, I don’t think it is a good idea to put other students at risk(dangerous classroom).
    水谷先生のような人はそういう補助なしに自分で指導、教育ができるかもしれないけれど、全ての教師が彼のようなスーパー教師ではないと思います。そしてもちろん、ほかの生徒たちを危険にさらすこと(暴力が横行する教室に置くこと)は良いこととは思いません。



  15. Biwa on Thursday January 17th, 2013 at 04:33 PM

    Hi David,

    >Actually, I often look at other people’s children and think, “Now there is a child that needs to be smacked!”

    Same here! Maybe I’m an old woman, but certainly, there are things that must be stopped at that second.

    Also, I can’t agree more that Japanese schools are way too soft on bad behavior. I often thought so when I went to open-schools(授業参観) or helping English classes. Maybe the teachers were afraid to be said things by the so-called “monster-parents”. It’s a matter of course to teach students to keep quiet and sit during classes!



  16. YU on Thursday January 17th, 2013 at 09:31 PM

    Hi David, Biwa, and everyone,

    > Actually, I often look at other people’s children and think, “Now there is a child that needs to be smacked!”

    I often see parents and their children like you mentioned, too.
    I agree with you that there’s certainly a time your children need to be smacked, but I suspect parents of violent students might not use corporal punishment in the proper moment, or they use it just depending on their mood. I guess this could make their children emotionally unstable or mistrustful of people, and then they become violent to other people. This is just my imagination, though.
    To be honest, I’ve hit my son depending on my mood several times, although he would have listened to me, if I had taught him verbally. In such moments, he showed me a very sad face and cried. I think children read our mind and they can easily judge if the smack was based on real affection toward them.

    I wrote, “Violent students need to be cared at proper places by proper people”. And I just had a thought why the system like that isn’t healthily established in Japan. I think it has a lot to do with Japanese schools’ ill-nature which tend to keep scandals secrets(隠蔽体質) like Mika explained.
    Japanese schools tend to avoid asking someone/somewhere else for help because they don’t want to disclose internal problems. I think these ways of thinking were born from the idea that “No scandal school = good school” and the wrong evaluating systems for schools and teachers by the board of education.



  17. amo on Thursday January 17th, 2013 at 10:17 PM

    Hi David and everyone,

    Sorry but I’ve been under the weather for the past week and am not in the mood for a difficult topic. I know it is an interesting topic to discuss, though.

    Many people seem to mix up corporal punishment and abuse. That might be one of the reasons why there is no end to hear this kind of incident.

    I am off to bed,
    amo



  18. Fumie on Thursday January 17th, 2013 at 11:30 PM

    Hi YU and David,

    YU, yes. What I explained in my previous comment was 正当防衛。
    >I wonder why those students are allowed to come to school in the first place. (YU’s comment)
    -Actually, students who hit/kicked teacher were ones with special needs (developmental disorder or their parents neglect or often hit them.)
    And parents can choose which school (regular school or special school) they send their children not teachers or board of education.
    先生に暴力をふるった生徒は発達障害や複雑な家庭(育児放棄、体罰でしつけてる)の生徒達です。発達障害児は感情のコントロールが難しくて、思い道理にいかないと暴れることがありそれを抑えようとして先生があざをつくったりするようです。生まれつきの特性だから本人のせいではないのですが。
    普通の学校か、支援学校かを選ぶのは親で学校や教育委員会は口出しできないようです。

    Fumie



  19. Biwa on Friday January 18th, 2013 at 09:45 AM

    Hi amo,

    Take good care, and I hope you feel better soon!

    Hi YU, Fumie and everyone,

    Regarding the care for developmental disordered children, I think it is one of the most difficult problems that teachers face today. Actually, a friend of my younger son happened to be so, and his mother thought it might be better for him to join the special class. However, his father never admitted that he needed special care, and I do understand how he(father) felt. Anyway, his mother had to follow her husband’s opinion, but I’m not really sure if it was a good choice for everyone.

    There was another case in my 英語教室, too. He wasn’t the violent type, but he couldn’t concentrate his attention to things. He attends a special school now.
    I know it’s difficult to say things about this matter, but some students definitely need special care.
    I wonder how other countries handle these things. (I might be off the track, though. Sorry for that!)



  20. YU on Friday January 18th, 2013 at 04:51 PM

    Hi Fumie and Biwa,

    >普通の学校か、支援学校かを選ぶのは親で学校や教育委員会は口出しできないようです。

    The son of a friend of mine is the same age as my son. He is a developmental disorder child, too. He was diagnosed that he was at least more than half a year behind from others. After all the worrying my friend and her husband did, they decided for sending him the same kindergarten(not special one) as his elder brother went. As Biwa said, I’m not sure if it was a good choice for everyone.

    > He wasn’t the violent type, but he couldn’t concentrate his attention to things. He attends a special school now.

    I’ve seen such children at the child care support center. Your student might have a bit different disorder, though. A staff of there told me that it was called Hyperactivity Disorder(多動性障害). Until then, I didn’t know why I was asked at my son’s two-year checkup if he could concentrate on one thing for a certain time.

    Anyway, I learned a lot of things through child raring.



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